Appendix H

ATAAB_001

02/06/2023 13:44 - Would it be possible to provide us with a pdf copy of the consultation documentation please?

Our response

A PDF version of the exhibition materials was provided.

ATAAB_002

Thanks for putting up the online exhibition.

But.. It isn't really mobile - friendly. I keep getting kicked out on my Android (galaxy s22). I'm pretty sure the phone is capable of displaying everything if it was set up better.

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

Your comments have been registered and will be considered as part of the detailed design and assessment of the preferred route which is currently progressing at pace. This work will conclude with the publication of draft Orders for comment and should be concluded by the end of 2024.

Please note that information relating to the Access to Argyll and Bute preferred route, including materials presented at the exhibition events continue to be available on the Transport Scotland website.

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ATAAB_003

Such an obvious solution, used so many places on the Continent. Need to get on with this to provide economic solution to this area. Such damage being done to families and businesses without a solution.

20 years too late.

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

To keep up to date with future developments on the project, please visit Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Story Map

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Thank you for your interest in the project.

ATAAB_004

This looks like a great option maintaining the existing route. These shelters work in other countries why not here. Please go ahead.

I have been using this route a couple of times a year for 40 years.

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

To keep up to date with future developments on the project, please visit Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Story Map

If you require any further information, please email A83@WSP.com.

Thank you for your interest in the project.

ATAAB_005

The construction of a canopy system is the ONLY solution for the A83. This has been talked about for nearly 20 years and finally its being done. the West of Scotland has had significant underfunding for too long while the East enjoys 3 bridges to head into Edinburgh. The West needs this investment and it needs done NOW!!!!!

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

To keep up to date with future developments on the project, please visit Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Story Map

If you require any further information, please email A83@WSP.com.

Thank you for your interest in the project.

ATAAB_006

Not a regular user of the road but the solution looks very good. Prefer the open sided rather than tunnel design to avoid build up of fumes, thus not requiring a large M&E installation

I am very keen to see the options for active travel developed

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

To keep up to date with future developments on the project, please visit Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Story Map

If you require any further information, please email A83@WSP.com.

Thank you for your interest in the project.

ATAAB_007

Excellent proposal. This dramatic and scenic route holds much affection for me and I am glad that a permanent solution to the existing problems is being put in place. Although I only travel on this road once or twice a year when holidaying in Scotland, I appreciate how it impacts the local people who use it regularly, when it has to be closed, and the affect it has on their lives and businesses.
I am glad that little of the drama and scenery will be lost with this proposal.

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

To keep up to date with future developments on the project, please visit Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Story Map

If you require any further information, please email A83@WSP.com.

Thank you for your interest in the project.

ATAAB_008

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Feedback is on the virtual exhibition. Not easy to navigate, took a long time to navigate to, identify and open all the docs. I can only imagine how annoying (or inaccessible) it must be for those sight loss or other disabilities, or those with slow devices, small screens.
Suggestion - an option to get a simple list of the documents, with a clickable link to each.
You could then go back and fore from one to another easily. And check you’ve read them all, which isn’t so easy in the virtual room.

Couldn’t find info about the cost of each option? Though as it was hard to keep track of which ones I’d looked at, I might have missed one.

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

Please find below a response to your feedback.

Thank you for your feedback.

We are sorry you encountered issues accessing our virtual exhibition room. We have reviewed the virtual exhibition website and can confirm that there are no faults or errors shown. It may be helpful to note that all of the exhibition materials are available to view and download from the Transport Scotland website - A83 Access to Argyll and Bute - Preferred route exhibition for permanent, long-term solution - Exhibition material | Transport Scotland.

Regarding your query about costing, the current estimate to deliver the preferred route option is between £405 million and £470 million. For further cost information and breakdown please see Table 3-1, Volume 1, page 81 of the Design manuals of Roads and Bridges (DMRB) Stage 2 report can be found here:

Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) stage two route options assessment report - A83 Access to Argyll and Bute | Transport Scotland

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Thank you for your interest in the project.

ATAAB_009

With this Route been one of the busiest routes and the gateway to the Highlands. This soloutin should have been done many years ago. Other countries in Europe can do it, so why can't we? Look forward to actually seeing if this goes ahead.

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

To keep up to date with future developments on the project, please visit Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Story Map

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ATAAB_010

Poor choice. Yet again throwing good money after bad. Haven't you learned from the ferries fiasco or previous attempts to put a road along here (or even the story of the three little pigs)? You can't beat the geology. The yellow option is founded on solid ground and can be expected to work. It's worked for the Old Military Road for getting on for 300 years. You've had 90 years to get the road right along the slopes of Beinn Luibhean and it's failed repeatedly. Try something else, not just a bigger version of what's failed before.

Read the DMRB report

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

Please find below a response to your feedback.

Thank you for your feedback.

The preferred route option, previously known as the Brown Option, was selected following the DMRB Stage 2 assessment which is a balanced and evidence-based assessment process used throughout the UK which considers engineering, environment, traffic and economic criteria.

The key reasons to support the debris flow shelter as the preferred route option are that it could achieve the scheme objectives of improving resilience and operational safety of the trunk road network. The preferred route option also performed the most favourably of all options across a broad range of environmental criteria, whilst having the greatest potential to be delivered quickly and offering the greatest opportunity to encourage sustainable travel.

Full details of the DMRB Stage 2 assessment which led to the preferred route option can be found in the DMRB Stage 2 report which can be found here: Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) stage two route options assessment report - A83 Access to Argyll and Bute | Transport Scotland.

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ATAAB_011

Thoroughly support this option. To me it is the value for money option and meets the remit. Can we take any information from the Swiss and Italian engineers who have been building/maintaining similar structures over decades? What happens when the debris pits are full or does the debris run away under the road?

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

Please find below a response to your feedback.

Thank you for your feedback.

Our consultant AWJV has mobilised a large multi-disciplinary design team, which includes experts who have delivered similar structures worldwide. With AWJV, we are continuing to seek best practice and lessons learned from other projects and will use this knowledge to refine the solution as we progress through the design and assessment process. Transport Scotland has also met with the Norwegian Public Roads Administration to share information and lessons learned regarding their road network and knowledge of tunnelling.

Regarding your query about the ‘debris pits’, these are designed to channel landslip material and rock fall from the slope. The design of the structure includes maintenance access on the roof of the debris flow shelter, meaning should debris need to be cleared from the ‘debris pits’, this can be done safely from the roof, without adversely impacting the road user.

With regards to timescales, we are working at pace to develop the permanent long-term solution as soon as possible and continue to explore methods to reduce the timescales at each stage of the scheme, where possible. The next stage in the assessment process is referred to as the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) Stage 3 which is now well underway and includes detailed development and assessment of the preferred route option, culminating in the publication of draft Road Orders, Compulsory Purchase Orders and the Environmental Impact Assessment Report. We are working hard to conclude this stage and publish draft Orders before the end of 2024.

Timescales thereafter will depend on whether any objections are received to the proposed scheme as these will need to be addressed before a main works contractor is appointed and the scheme moves to construction.

As we progress through the development of the scheme we will continue to engage with the communities and users of the road and seek your feedback to inform the emerging design.

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Thank you for your interest in the project.

My only additional information is to request that this project proceeds without delay. I am 81 and would like to think I will be able to drive up to Inveraray over the finished result. Thank you for this opportunity to add my pennyworth.

ATAAB_012

Is the covered structure going to provide enough height clearance for standard double-deck articulated trailer to allow shop deliveries to the Kintyre peninsular?

Also, with the covered dark 'tunnel' has any thought to leisure motorcyclists and road surface grip been given. Plus lines of sight for motorcyclists within a 'tunnel' environment.

I refer to the structure as a 'tunnel', as it is almost enclosed, with only 'windows' for natural light and ventilation between roof support structures. The road will not dry or warm as quickly as either a open road or a force ventilated tunnel. Also, as the road is on a hill, has thought been given to adequate road drainage? At present water cascades down the road surface as standard. In a covered environment, this will create spray which has nowhere to go.

With the amount of money due to be committed and the years of previous problems, a full and correct solution should be designed and built. Not a stop gap as has been previously.

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

Please find below a response to your feedback.

Thank you for your feedback.

Regarding your query about height clearance, the height of the structure has been considered in relation to design standards and the rest of the A83 network. The debris flow shelter will provide minimum internal head room of 5.3m, which is a standard requirement for trunk roads of this nature throughout Scotland and the UK. This minimum headroom clearance will allow standard articulated trailers to travel through the debris flow shelter unhindered.

The alignment of the A83 on the approach to and through the debris flow shelter will be designed in accordance with the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB). Part of this process is to ensure the sight lines are appropriate to facilitate the safe operation of the route for all road users, including motorcyclists. This process also extends to the consideration of surfacing materials, to ensure sufficient surface grip, and the selection of road signage and markings.

The roof on the debris flow shelter will be supported by a robust protection wall on the hill ward side and columns on the valley side to allow for a mostly open elevation. Lighting, both natural and artificial, and ventilation continues to be considered as part of ongoing design development of the debris flow shelter to ensure the road performs safely during operation. This assessment is being informed by detailed modelling of the structure and adjacent terrain. The results of this assessment, including any additional measures required to ensure the safe operation of the road will be included in the DMRB Stage 3 assessment report which will be published at the next stage.

The water environment which considers both existing watercourses and run-off from the hillside in addition to road drainage is a key focus area of the ongoing assessment and design. Whilst the road is covered by a roof through the debris flow shelter, some water will reach the road through the mostly open elevation. Road drainage is therefore being designed to specifically deal with this scenario.

Please be assured we are fully committed to developing a full and correct solution to the issues faced at the A83 Rest and Be Thankful, which is reflected by the scale of the intervention selected.

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If you require any further information, please email A83@WSP.com.

Thank you for your interest in the project.

ATAAB_013

I'm not an engineer, but I am surprised at the flat roof envisaged for the tunnel. The roof structures I've seen in the Alps - over 19th century railways - I think were steeply sloped so that debris slid off . I see you propose a ditch to trap debris so it doesn't land on the roof, but surely it will eventually become full and be very expensive to clear out?

Apart from that, I think the proposal is sensible with expenditure proportionate to the traffic. The earlier consultation contained proposals that were ludicrous.

From [REDACTED], I have for several years now used the M8 to the Western Ferries service, thus avoiding the A83. I think the media and the locals do Kintyre a disservice when they suggest that with the A83 closed, Kintyre is cut off. Granted the ferry is a bit pricey, and perhaps government should look to help with that, given that it has gone to excess with RET for Calmac. On the broader picture it is sad to see the empty seas of the Clyde. The ferry from Campbeltown to Ardrossan should be every day and be the route of choice from the town to the motorway network.

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

Please find below a response to your feedback.

Thank you for your feedback.

The form of the preferred route option (the Brown Option) evolved through the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) Stage 2 assessment from a sloping roof which allowed material to pass over, to a notionally flat roof with a catch pit arrangement on the uphill side of the structure. The purpose of the catch pit is to channel landslip material and rock fall, allowing it to be removed safely and efficiently without adversely impacting the road user or the slopes below the A83.

The catch pits also contribute to our ability to manage potential changes to the hillside and the water environment.

Full details of how and why this option evolved to include catch pits as opposed to allowing the material to flow over the roof are contained in the DMRB Stage 2 report, part 2 Section 5.2 which can be found here: Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) stage two route options assessment report - A83 Access to Argyll and Bute | Transport Scotland

We note the cost estimates prepared for all options at DMRB Stage 2 considered an estimate of operation and maintenance costs as explained in the DMRB Stage 2 report above.

Regarding the ferry between Campbeltown – Ardrossan, CalMac has confirmed that this route started off as a pilot for summer months then continued as such but it was never planned to be a year round service. There is a road alternative from Glasgow on the A82 to Arrochar at the top of Loch Lomond and then on the A83 all the way to Campbeltown, which can be utilised by those travelling. Fares on commercially operated services such as Western Ferries are for them to determine, however your point is noted with thanks.

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ATAAB_014

I think you have arrived at the perfect solution. I have used this road since 1972 by bicycle and since 1974 by car. There were no landslides in those days that I can remember so I watched with dismay to see the damage caused by increased rainfall causing the landslides and rockfalls of the 1980's, 90's and 2000's. I suggested a similar structure to Scotland Transerv in 2006 but it has taken until now to complete the process. I recommend that you place a sloping roof and do not construct a catch pit. The safest solution would be to allow any future land slip to fill in the slope between the structure and then future slips to over-sail the structure. The only risk would be if a heavy rock came down the slope and struck the new structure. This would prevent the Maintenance Firm from having to excavate the catch pit, which in itself is a dangerous process. There is no escape from this long catch pit and could prove quite dangerous during maintenance. If you come to an arrangement with the owners of the lower slopes then any future land slip material could be removed from this lower slope without any danger to the maintenance crew. The idea of the open columns is a great idea from the point of view of ventilation and street-lighting. I also recommend a local prefabrication yard be set up as close to the western limit of the site as possible. The reason being that better quality concrete can be precast under inside heated conditions whether prestressed for the roof or unstressed for the substantial RC columns, strong enough HGV impact [REDACTED].

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

To keep up to date with future developments on the project, please visit Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Story Map

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ATAAB_015

[REDACTED] advised they would like more feedback forms to distribute in their local community in Strachur.

[REDACTED] noted that the exhibition in Arrochar was very clear and informative as to the preferred route and proposed solution for the A83 and that the staff on hand were very knowledgeable and helpful, in particular [REDACTED]. [REDACTED] said they were happy with the overall solution for the A83 and medium-term solution on the Old Military Road.

[REDACTED] noted the current difficulties the A83 is causing right now and that it is positive to see the exhibition and openness to feedback, as well as the decision of a solution/preferred route.

Hard copies of the feedback form was provided.

ATAAB_016

Can I ask why Campbeltown has not been selected to hold a Public Event?

Thank you for your email and query regarding the public exhibitions presenting the preferred route option for a permanent, long-term solution to the challenges at the Rest and Be Thankful. As I’m sure you can appreciate Argyll and Bute covers a large area and unfortunately, it’s just not feasible to hold exhibitions in all the towns throughout the region. Arrochar and Lochgilphead were locations chosen to host the public exhibitions as we felt they represented good coverage from either side of the Rest and Be Thankful. We are aware some people may not be able to attend the in-person exhibitions which is why we have published an on-line virtual exhibition which shows the same information that will be presented at the in-person exhibitions. A link to the virtual exhibition can be found here:

PinPoint ConnectALL (pinpointcloud.co.uk)

Also, should anyone who cannot attend an in-person exhibition wishes to speak with a member of the project team this can be arranged and details are available on the final board in the virtual exhibition.

ATAAB_017

Please send link to physical version or call me on [REDACTED]

Links to exhibition materials were provided.

ATAAB_018

14/06/2023
[REDACTED] community centre situated between [REDACTED] and [REDACTED].

Could we receive updates on the progress of the A82 Rest and be Thankful for members of our community and people visiting? It would be good to have something on display here that people could look at.

I look forward to hearing from you and thanks for your help.

Hard copies of the brochure was provided.

ATAAB_019

I think a tunnel is definitely the right option. It looks good and like it will work against the risk of landslides. I think this is a great opportunity to do something about that section of the road and what is proposed is right. I do think that while designing the tunnel it would make sense to create extra space along the roadside for cyclists though, if the areas at the sides are big enough for cyclists to safely be there it would greatly help as traffic flows through the tunnel to avoid long queues.
There is the opportunity to think of cyclists while designing this structure so it should be taken!

Please remember the other road users (cyclists etc) as well as vehicles, it would be a shame not to.

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

To keep up to date with future developments on the project, please visit Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Story Map

If you require any further information, please email A83@WSP.com.

Thank you for your interest in the project.

ATAAB_020

I can appreciate the general cost-benefit rationale for choosing the brown option as the preferred route. However, I suspect that the full costs have not be quantified adequately. In particular, I suspect that the time-cost of delay to car and bus drivers/passengers and to freight movements have not been accounted adequately. Also, the costs of lost business to the hospitality sector to the west of Rest and Be Thankful is unlikely to have been estimated.

As for the Brown Option configuration, I wonder if the ‘catchpits’ and culverts underlying the carriageway will be adequate to funnel debris flow material downslope of the road. This is because granular materials are known to clog orifices where the diameters of individual clasts are significantly smaller that the diameter of the orifice through which the debris flow is attempting to pass. Clogging will require removal of material. Has this been allowed for in terms of access of heavy maintenance machinery etc.?

If the catchpits can accommodate the debris flow material and, given that the debris flow shelter is being designed such that it does not abutt the uphill slope, will any debris flow material actually flow onto either the shelter or the carriageway? Will the shelter have any role in protecting the road? Given that we know where the debris flow chutes lie (i.e where the catchpits lie), why does the shelter need to be continuous over the whole length as planned? Why can the shelter and its access for maintenance vehicles not involve a set of short lengths, perhaps reducing the overall cost?

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

Please find below a response to your feedback.

Thank you for your feedback.

Through the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) Stage 2 assessment process, a full traffic and economic assessment was carried out as reported in the DMRB Stage 2 report, part 4 which can be found here: Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) stage two route options assessment report - A83 Access to Argyll and Bute | Transport Scotland.

The traffic and economic assessment considered not only the cost to construct and operate the various options but also the potential disbenefit resulting from any disruption to the road user associated with the construction period. It was important that this was a factor in our assessment to ensure a robust and fair assessment of the options. The assessment then considered the benefits all options would have through improved operation and resilience of the A83.

With respect to the cost estimates, these considered not only the initial construction cost but also an estimate for the costs associated with operation and maintenance. The current estimate to deliver the preferred route option (Brown Option) is between £405 million and £470 million. The cost estimates for all options including a description of the approach used to calculate these estimates are contained in the DMRB Stage 2 report, part 2, section 3.2 which can be found here: Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) stage two route options assessment report - A83 Access to Argyll and Bute | Transport Scotland.

The preferred route option includes a debris flow shelter with catch pit arrangement on the uphill side of the structure. As you note, the intent of the catch pit is to channel landslip material and rock fall, allowing it to be removed safely and efficiently without adversely impacting the road user or the slopes below the A83. Through the DMRB Stage 3 assessment process, we are continuing to investigate ways to safely pass some of the sediment under the road through culverts to retain the natural processes of sediment transfer as much as possible.

The roof of the debris flow shelter will provide an extra level of protection from landslides as well as protecting the road user from boulder fall, which based on current modelling is prevalent over the majority of the Beinn Luibhean slope. The roof will also provide maintenance access to the catch pit and the structure itself. The design of the debris flow shelter will be further refined as we take the scheme through the next phase of design and assessment.

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ATAAB_021

Having lived in [REDACTED], I have seen both lanes open and running freely on the A83 for just a few months in total. What baffles me about the proposed solution and the remedial work to stabilise the hillside using planting, is why it has taken so long and has cost so much to get to this point. As [REDACTED], I am appalled at what our community has had to accept as the norm for so many years. From my perspective, the message is “just get on with it!”. The route seems to be a practical solution.

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

What cycling provision will be provided along the Old Military Road, given the desire to keep traffic flowing through the tunnel and to promote active travel? Current pedestrian stiles on the OMR are not cyclist-friendly, forcing cyclists on the main road, seriously affecting traffic flow.
2. Whilst the roof of the tunnel is designed to allow diggers etc to drive on it in order to empty the catch pits, please ensure that there is sufficient rotor blade clearance for emergency helicopters to land on it - possibly even a marked helipad (I’m a [REDACTED] and have been to far too many incidents on the A83).
3. Will there be an external footpath to accommodate emergency service access through the open side of the tunnel? Could such a footpath be used by pedestrians?
4. How will the construction project be managed to minimise road closure (e.g. pre fabrication of tunnel sections), and how long will we be expected to follow diversions?
5. What air flow modelling has been done to ensure that high-sided vehicles won’t be blown out of lane, or that vehicle fires (of which there are plenty on the climb up the A83), aren’t exacerbated by the chimney effect of the tunnel?

Please find below a response to your feedback.

Thank you for your feedback.

We appreciate the frustration experienced by local communities and businesses associated with the threat of closures on the A83 due to landslides. Having identified the preferred route option for the permanent solution in Spring 2023, we are working at pace to deliver the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) Stage 3 assessment, which will conclude with the publication of draft Road Orders and an Environmental Impact Assessment Report before the end of 2024.

We have also committed to delivering a medium-term solution (MTS). The purpose of the MTS is to deliver a safe, proportionate, and more resilient diversion route when the A83 is closed, until the permanent solution is constructed. We are working to ensure construction of the MTS is delivered as quickly as possible noting the first phase has now commenced.

With respect to walking and cycling facilities, as part of the DMRB Stage 3 design and assessment process we are assessing opportunities to encourage sustainable travel within the corridor. This includes bus, walking, cycling and wheeling facilities.

With respect to the design and operation of the debris flow shelter, a key element of this is engagement with the emergency services. This engagement will include how the emergency services would respond to all types of road traffic incidents including how they would access the site and structure. This engagement will continue through the DMRB assessment process and measures will be provided where appropriate to ensure safe access for these services and the user.

The design and operation of the debris flow shelter also includes detailed fire and smoke modelling which considers the air flow through and on approach to the structure. This modelling will again inform the ongoing refinement of the design to ensure the safe operation of the shelter, for the user and the operator.

As you suggest the online nature of the preferred route option will mean traffic may be diverted to the Old Military Road (OMR) during significant periods of construction. However, this will not be the OMR as it is at present, but the road as improved by the MTS.

We note our multidisciplinary team is working hard to consider opportunities to minimise disruption during the construction of the permanent solution, which includes prefabrication and modular construction amongst other techniques.

As we continue through to the design and assessment process, we will continue to engage with affected landowners, local communities, and road users to seek feedback on the emerging outcomes of the design and assessment.

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ATAAB_022

Proven technology in other countries. Biggest concerns will be disruptions during construction and timescale. Also cost escalations during construction.

Government has approved the increase in lorry length by approx. 7 feet. This will cause major congestion on the hairpin at the top of the OMR without restrictions. Voluntary regulation does not work as the Loch Long Road proves. Rear steer is increasing risk of accident as the Furnace Bends illustrate.

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

Please find below a response to your feedback.

Thank you for your feedback.

As you suggest the online nature of the preferred route option will mean traffic may be diverted to the Old Military Road (OMR) during significant periods of construction. However, the diversion will not be the OMR as it is at present, but the road as improved by the medium-term solution (MTS).

The MTS improvements are designed to reduce journey times by increasing the length of the two-way operation, whilst also improving the safety and resilience of the OMR as a temporary diversion to the A83. Every effort is being made to ensure these interventions are in place as soon as possible and prior to the start of construction of the permanent solution. The first phase of the MTS has now commenced.

With respect to the design of the scheme, the road alignment is being designed to the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges DMRB requirements which sets out the standards for all trunk roads throughout the UK and will include not only the debris flow shelter but improvements to the two bends south of Loch Restil.

As we continue to refine and value engineer the design to provide a robust solution to the issues faced, there will be further opportunities to share your views, as hearing from communities affected by challenges at the A83 Rest and Be Thankful is of utmost importance to us. Such events will be communicated to the local communities and road users once confirmed. Furthermore, the A83 Story Map, which can be found here: Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Story Map (arcgis.com) will continue to be updated through the assessment process. It also contains contact details through which feedback, comments or questions can be raised at any time.

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ATAAB_023

I work for a [REDACTED]. We met with one of your members of staff on Thursday at the end of there community exhibition they were holding in Lochgilphead Baptist church on 14th and 15th of June.

Unfortunately by the time we found out that this event was happening it was the end of day at the final event. [REDACTED] we work across Mid Argyll, Kintyre, Islay and Jura. Communities who are effected by the A83 but were unaware of this exhibition also as the event was only on for 2 days in one village this does not reflect on all the communities that this roads effects.

I did take a bundle of forms so when i am out in the community across Argyll, working in peoples homes and in groups i can assist them to fill out the form and give their feedback on what is a nightmare for many.
It was unfortunate that the exhibition did not involve local groups, organisations or be out in the street or in more shops engaging with more people.

I hope the feedback gives good information and lots of people get involved.

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Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

Please find below a response to your feedback.

Thank you for your feedback.

We are sorry to hear that you were not aware of the public exhibitions in Lochgilphead. Thank you for sharing the forms with the local communities you work with across Argyll and Bute.

The in-person public exhibitions which were held in Arrochar and Lochgilphead in June were advertised in local papers including the Oban Times, Argyllshire Advertiser and Campbeltown Courier. They also featured on the Transport Scotland website, across their social media channels and with local councils through the A83 Task Force. Posters advertising the events were also distributed to local libraries, council offices and community halls. We do note your comments in relation to advertising in local shops and we will consider that for future public engagements.

We are aware some people may not be able to attend in-person exhibitions, which is why we also held a virtual exhibition which included the same information as presented at the in-person exhibitions. The virtual exhibition was live from 2 June until 8 December 2023.

We also created the A83 Story Map which can be found here: Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Story Map (arcgis.com). The A83 Story Map will continue to be updated through the assessment process, noting relevant information from the virtual exhibition will be moved here when it is closed. It also contains contact details through which feedback, comments or questions can be raised at any time.

Please be assured hearing from communities affected by challenges at the A83 Rest and Be Thankful is of utmost importance to us and we intend to host additional in-person events through the assessment process. We will consider where these events will be held and the ways they are communicated to the local communities and welcome your suggestions and support here.

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ATAAB_024

The proposed solution is a not the best solution and will only continue the constant delay and disruption to users of the A83. We have been putting up with these delays for over a decade. The works that have been done to date have had no real impact on mitigating whether the road is open or not. Every time it there is heavy rain traffic gets diverted onto the old military road anyway.

The best solution would be to build a new road on the other side of Glen Croe.

The proposed solution will result in the need to use the old military road - a single track road requiring traffic management - for lengthy spells during the proposed construction works. Even if this road is widened in sections there will still be constant delays in passing through the OMR.

If a new road was built on the opposite side of Glen Croe then there would be minimum disruption to road users. It would also reduce the need for costly traffic management.

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

I use this section of the A83 on my daily commute to work. The constant delay and diversions have been in place for over a decade. The proposed solution will only continue these delays for probably another decade.

If a new route was constructed on the opposite side of Glen Croe then it could be done off-line with minimal impact to road users during the construction phase.

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Thank you for your feedback.

We appreciate the frustration experienced by local communities and businesses associated with the threat of closure of the A83 due to landslides. Having identified the preferred route option for the permanent solution in Spring 2023, we are working at pace to deliver the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) Stage 3 assessment which will conclude with the publication of draft Road Orders and the Environmental Impact Assessment Report before the end of next year. As part of the assessment process our multidisciplinary team is working hard to consider opportunities to minimise disruption during the construction of the permanent solution, which includes prefabrication and modular construction amongst other techniques.

We have also committed to delivering a medium-term solution (MTS) which will comprise of improvements to the Old Military Road (OMR). The purpose of the MTS is to deliver a safe, proportionate, and more resilient diversion route when the A83 is closed, until the permanent solution is constructed.

These improvements to the OMR are designed to reduce journey times by increasing the length of two-way operation, whilst also improving the safety and resilience of the OMR as a temporary diversion to the A83. Every effort is being made to ensure these interventions are in place as soon as possible and prior to the start of construction of the permanent solution. The first phase of the MTS has now commenced.

As part of the DMRB Stage 2 assessment, the option known as the Green Option considered a road on the opposite side of the glen. Full details of this option are contained in the DMRB Stage 2 report, part 2 which can be found here: Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) stage two route options assessment report - A83 Access to Argyll and Bute | Transport Scotland.

The DMRB Stage 2 assessment concluded that the slope on the opposite side of the glen is also potentially vulnerable to landslip and boulder fall, meaning an equivalent debris flow shelter structure would be required on that side and potentially over a much longer length. This would be in addition to two significant viaduct structures to take the road across the glen on both sides. The result would be a much longer construction duration associated with the Green Option compared to the other options considered.

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ATAAB_025

Happy with the preferred route in terms of the options, and main focus is on improving access to Argyll for future residents and visitors - the current situation is unacceptable.

A useful presentation of the information and a knowledgeable and engaging team hosting the consultation in Lochgilphead. Whilst I don't wish to get so involved as to comment in depth on the details of the proposal, I was reassured that the design team represented a broad set of priorities (eg engineering, environmental, etc)

Thanks!

Keen that cyclists are catered for in terms of improving access to the countryside. Whilst there are relatively few brave / foolish enough to cycle on the A83 (it won't be me!), including whatever can make their journeys safer and more pleasant both on the single track road of the mid-term solution and the longer term solution would be good.

The disruption of road works is inevitable whilst the shelter is being built, but whatever can be done to minimise the impact of the single track road section of the OMR (eg intelligent traffic control)on delays would be appreciated.

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ATAAB_026

In my opinion, the route seems to be a good solution. I hope, as stated, there is more work to integrate and meld the roof with the surrounding rocks.

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ATAAB_027

Practical but very ugly, personally I would prefer the viaduct option but if that's considerably more expensive then happy to go with preferred rout.

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ATAAB_028

Before I saw this doc, I was always of the opinion that an overshoot gallery, such as used in the alps, was the best solution. All in favour. But how can this be built whilst still maintaining A83 access?

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Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

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Thank you for your feedback.

As part of the ongoing Design Manual for Road and Bridges (DMRB) Stage 3 assessment process our multidisciplinary team is working hard to consider opportunities to minimise disruption during the construction of the permanent solution, which includes prefabrication and modular construction amongst other techniques.

However, the online nature of the preferred route option will mean traffic may be diverted to the Old Military Road (OMR) during significant periods of construction.

As we continue to develop a permanent solution as quickly as possible, we are also progressing a medium-term solution (MTS) which will include a programme of improvements to the OMR. These improvements are designed to reduce journey times by increasing the length of the two-way operation, whilst also improving the safety and resilience of the OMR as a temporary diversion to the A83.

Every effort is being made to ensure these interventions are in place as soon as possible and prior to the start of construction of the permanent solution. The first phase of the MTS has now commenced.

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ATAAB_029

I think the preferred Brown option is the better option. I think adding further viaducts across the landscape will spoil it.
I've seen video clips of similar solutions to the proposed one working very well in Switzerland and Norway.
Since you can't just build a bridge or a teleport to cut out the heavy traffic coming through Arrochar, then the Brown option is the best.

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ATAAB_030

This was put forward 10 year ago by Donald Clarke and shot down in flames. All the work carried out till now was a complete waste of the tax payers money. People knew it was a waste of time and the solution put forward at the start is now the preferred option again what a waste of time and money’

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ATAAB_031

Great proposal, long overdue - Good luck with planning!

Gets our full support

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ATAAB_032

I support this option, utilising as much of the current improvements as possible. Time is of the essence and an experienced contractor and project manager is essential to keep to time and cost

Minimum distraction to traffic flow is essential on this West Coast, key and only route through Scotland

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ATAAB_033

Build it now

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ATAAB_034

All this should have happened 10 years or more years ago! [REDACTED], I have no qualifications to make comments on the various options but can guess that the brown option – debris overflow shelter will be the cheapest option and completion time is likely to be much shorter. One concern with this option is what if there is another landslide at the lower end of the existing road where no catch pits exist. For that reason my choice would be the green or yellow options

I could be persuaded to accepted the brown option because completion will be sooner than the other options and having so many delays / diversions over so many years the sooner the better. My big concern is that while the flow shelter is under construction we have to rely on the old military road as a diversion with a convoy. If so please upgrade the OMR now to allow 2 way traffic. I really don’t think motorists could suffer convoy diversions while the flow shelter is constructed’

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ATAAB_035

The solution will be very welcome. I would love to have seen even more really visual impact gens made. A really iconic solution that would be a visiting point for the area. Engineering solutions are often very attractive and should not be hidden away in case their appearance offends or gets in the way

Glenfinnan Viaduct – amazing iconic structure in a lovely area. Forth Crossings – a visit attraction as well as useful. Rest and Be Thankful – offers opportunity for an iconic structure as the entrance to Argyll and Bute - Argyll National Park. Exhibition very useful – thanks. Questions abley answered.

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ATAAB_036

Preferred route. The tunnel

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ATAAB_037

A good exhibition. Helpful staff. Patient and good at explaining things even to those who were anti option (brown)

Please just get on with it

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ATAAB_038

Purple Pink

Why have consultation when decision ALREADY made

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ATAAB_039

‘I understand the canopy would be more economical however my preference would be the raised viaduct. In my opinion this would be a statement solution. Like viaducts built for trains this could become a draw for tourists to come and experience’

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ATAAB_040

Glad to see the proposed use of existing road with covers to shed designs. Would prefer if slated roof to shed anyway and save costs of concrete constuction to provide plant access across top.

Suggestions for diverting traffic through other villages or alternative routes ridiculous as they (villages & roads) not served for the heavy traffic (commercial) that use it. Other routes thus seem a waste of money and should use exsisting A83 road with protection as required! Much better use of resources.

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ATAAB_041

We like it. We have no objections

Arichonan is our second home. Just we are there 2 weeks in every month so use this road a lot. Hopefully the project will go ahead in our lifetime

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ATAAB_042

As Existing.
Do nothing.
1) Loch & Glens Coach Tours - Ardgarten. Hotel day trip to Arran - The wide straight route over
the rest is a "Walk in the Park" figuartively speaking compared to the notorious pinch points at Erihs. Herer drivers of vehicles of all lengths of all lengths/formats. Abd formats find themselves between a rock/rocks and a theraputic sot landing in the NCL salty waters of Loch Fyne.
2) Parks of Hamilton coaches tour drom Inverary to Tayinloan/Isle of Gigha
3) Scottish Citylink 926
2 and 1 same blood pressure/stressful day

British gypsum - Lochgilphead to Oban.
Oban to Lochgilphead ucm 23 and 423 have to squeeze past each other at Kilmartin
(3) San Andreas fault caz if U.S.A.
Lots of money wasted on widening the already wide 816 on loch side. Similar to aftermath of earthquake San Andreas
(2) Kilninear to Kilmore - Skipness Road - success of roadway similar

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ATAAB_043

Brown

Perfect

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ATAAB_044

The preferred route makes complete sense. It would be helpful to understand the timescales anticipated

I am keen to see how sustainable travel particularly cycling, will be integrated into the scheme. There is a great potential for this to be an iconic cycleway and obviously a link up with the Kintyre 66

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ATAAB_045

It was interesting to see other routes that were considered before selecting the brown option of the tunnel with open access to the side. [REDACTED] was very good at answering my concerns on costs of debris (land slippage removal) which would have been incurred no matter what option. All in all I agree that this is route (brown option) is after all the best one
‘I’m hopeful during construction there will be minimal disruption to those using the road, business and locals. Also on completion I would like to see good facilities for parking, rest areas, view points and a good safe cycle route to have been included!!!’

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ATAAB_046

The preferred route sounds like a good option provided funding becomes available

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ATAAB_047

This should have been done from the start instead of the millions that have been spent

Hopefully this will take off soon. Not looking forward to another winter of possible road closures

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ATAAB_048

Looks like a good idea. Some type of vegetation cover on the roof would be good if possible to improve the look and enhance nature. Separate cycle lane in the tunnel would be good too.

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ATAAB_049

I like the idea of the open sided debris flow shelter, for safety reasons and the scenery on the other side of the Glenn is still open for people to enjoy. There is the safety aspect of being able to access the vehicles in case of any problem in the shelter.’‘I would have liked to see a dedicated cycle land through the shelter. Cyclists using the OMR through the Glen are still open to the effect of any panel spill from the hill’

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ATAAB_050

Shelter is a great solution considering all the benefits and utilising existing work segdone

Great exhibition, very informative, good venue

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ATAAB_051

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Preferred route looks good. Pleased that views of the glen are retained while improving safety and resilience

Would be interested to understand public transport links and the provision of active travel links for cyclists and walkers. Would be concerned about cyclists underneath debris shelter if there is no lighting.

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ATAAB_052

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Preferred route is the correct solution and provided protection for the road whilst maintaining the view from the road

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ATAAB_053

At last a great solution

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ATAAB_054

It’s been a long timing coming hopefully be completed ASAP. It is a nice structure

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ATAAB_055

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I support the preferred option

The event at Arrochar was great – very informative.
The team was very knowledgeable, great venue

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ATAAB_056

Looks a great scheme and will be a great asset to the Argyll economy and population.

Please take your time and get it right

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ATAAB_057

I would have preferred a stand alone solution, such as a viaduct or tunnel, the former as it could have been an attraction in its own right and a beautiful structure – as other countries have demonstrated.
While I don’t think the proposal will be a thing of great beauty (pardon my criticism) or aesthetic attraction, more a robust engineering solution, it has the benefit of following the line of the existing road and does appear to be a way of dealing with landslides in a permanent manner

I’m concerned the D.F.S is too short as the slope appears to be unstable beyond either end.
What will the impact on the road of a large, liquid landslide in high winds? Potentially blowing material / mud onto the road.
A cycleway will be necessary as cyclists currently present safety issues uphill and delay traffic if not so accommodated, I am keen to see the national speed limit maintained through the structure as well as pre-landslide overtaking sections.
I suggest further exhibitions are held in Campbelltown and on Islay as people in these areas are equally impacted.

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The debris flow shelter will protect the part of the A83 considered to be at higher risk of debris flows and landslides. The extent is being informed by ongoing geotechnical modelling of the hillside, which is building on previous geotechnical modelling that has been developed and refined by experts in their field over multiple years.

For over 15 years, the Scottish Road Network Landslide Study has guided how landslide risks are managed across the whole of the trunk road network, including the wider A83 trunk road outwith the Rest and Be Thankful. Depending on the records and location-specific issues, this has seen risk reduction measures implemented such as warning signage erected, mitigation schemes constructed or regular monitoring. This approach continues and will feed into ongoing work for the safe operation of the A83.

The form of the preferred route option (the Brown Option) evolved through the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) Stage 2 from a sloping roof which allowed material to pass over the structure, to a notionally flat roof with catch pit arrangement on the uphill side of the structure.

The purpose of the catch pit is to channel landslip material and rock or boulder fall, allowing it to be removed safely and efficiently without adversely impacting the road user or the slopes below the A83.

The benefit of this arrangement is that material will not routinely pass over the roof, meaning the potential for material to blow onto the road is significantly reduced.

Please be assured the debris flow shelter and catch pit are being designed to ensure they can withstand all appropriate loading conditions based on the developing assessment. This includes the lateral loading imposed by a debris flow event. To provide the necessary level of restraint in this condition, the structure will be ‘anchored’ into the rock within the hillside.

We appreciate your feedback with respect to cycle provision. As part of the DMRB Stage 3 design and assessment we are considering opportunities to encourage sustainable travel within the corridor. This includes bus, walking, cycling and wheeling facilities.

There will continue to be opportunities to share your views with us, as hearing from communities affected by challenges at the A83 Rest and Be Thankful is of utmost importance to us. We will ensure that the local community is informed as we proceed with the DMRB Stage 3 design and assessment of the scheme. We intend to hold further engagement events through the assessment process and are considering the best approach and locations for these including in Campbeltown.

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ATAAB_058

The angle of the slope means that it will always be liable to solifluction and soil creep of the road, positioned as it is at mudway up the slope will always be liable to movement.
This can already be seen at the downslope side of the road which evidences tarmac – buckle as result of slope movement.

This is going to be mitigated. A better alternative to the ugly solution proposed would be an alternative route back of the Arrochar Alps – meeting the current road at Glen Kinglass at Butter Bridge. This rote would follow the valley floor and thus avoid the soil movement from uphill. It would be a more stable platform for a more effective road in the long run

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The debris flow shelter and catch pit are being designed to ensure they can withstand all appropriate loading conditions based on the developing assessment. This includes the lateral loading imposed by a debris flow event. To provide the necessary level of restraint the structure will be, ‘anchored’ into the rock within the hill.

With respect to your alternative option noted, the Design Manuals for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) Stage 1 assessment considered 15 route corridors including one similar to that you have noted. These corridors were assessed based on the schemes transport planning objectives, a Scottish Transport Appraisal Guidance (STAG) assessment and an assessment of implementability. The conclusion of this assessment was that the preferred route corridor was Route Corridor 1 – the Glen Croe Valley. Full details of the assessment can be found here: Preliminary Engineering Services - DMRB Stage 1 Assessment - A83 Access to Argyll and Bute | Transport Scotland.

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ATAAB_059

I support the preferred route as it will be the quickest route to a solution for our A83 problem

The sweeping viaduct over the valley flow would be more pleasing to the eye and could have generated a greater number of tourists but I accept cost must be a major factor in Scot Gov decision making

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ATAAB_060

Preferred route seems to have been chosen as a) the most logical b) the most likely to proceed through the various staged without objection c) a tried and tested engineering solution. I would support this preferred choice of route.

The A83 is a vital conduit on the west side of the country. Over the years the west has benefited less from transport investment than the east side of the country – for example A9 investment, Aberdeen investment, new Forth crossings, rail improvements etc. It is understood that traffic flows and population levels are of a much lesser order, but not in the proportion of investment made. This improvement should have been carried out many years ago. Please prioritise now.

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ATAAB_061

An excellence solution both functional and aesthetically pleasing. Feeling excited about it! Will attract more traffic to Argyll and more tourism – all to the good

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ATAAB_062

My preferred route was the viaduct. However, I recognise this was probably the costliest. The chosen route is probably next best.

Disappointed not to see reflected in the time scale that fact that this problem has been ongoing for about 2 decades (or more). If action had taken place 15-20 years ago, we would now be at the end of the problem not at the start of the solution. Hope it starts soon.

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ATAAB_063

My preference is for option 6 – not shown! A low level road and longer tunnel through to Glen Kingcross.
Of the options shown I strongly prefer the green route, Southern viaduct and from road on 'other side' of the Glen

The 'green' route can be built with minimal disruption to traffic flows.
The brown route apparently favoured by engineers - will mean many more days of road closures, use of OMR and continued distruption

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ATAAB_064

The preferred route is aesthetic and will provide a long term solution to this important network into Argyll. I think it’s a great and look forward to its completion.

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ATAAB_065

I'm not really worried about which choice is made for new road, as long as it makes the road safe to travel on.
What will happen if landslides change their course will extra bits be able to be added to the existing overhead canopy? at either end if necessary.
Another point to make is, how stable is the hillside, if a lot of drilling etc to put the pillars in to hold the canopy - could the hillside be loosened by the work being done - cause a massive landslide.

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The debris flow shelter will protect the part of the road considered to be at higher risk of debris flows and landslides. The exact extent is being informed by ongoing and detailed geotechnical modelling of the hillside, which is building on previous geotechnical modelling that has been developed and refined by experts in their field over multiple years.

Similarly, considering the constructability of the options was a key focus area of the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) Stage 2 assessment and continues to be a focus area during DMRB Stage 3. The method of construction which continues to be refined will be specifically developed to address the risk of instability during construction and this has already been considered within the three-to-four-year construction duration noted in the DMRB Stage 2 assessment.

In response to your comment regarding stability, the structure will be tied into the rock beneath the hillside to ensure it can withstand all appropriate loading conditions imposed by landslides and boulder fall. Further details of the design and emerging construction processes can be found the DMRB Stage 2 assessment report part 2, section 5 which can be found here: Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) stage two route options assessment report - A83 Access to Argyll and Bute | Transport Scotland

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ATAAB_066

[REDACTED]
Conversation on commumity benefits and the concerns faced by the small community
Suggest follow up at appropriate time

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We noted your request at the June exhibitions to arrange a follow-up to discuss potential community benefits and concerns faced by the local community. We will be in touch shortly to continue this discussion. Please be assured that there will continue to be opportunities to share your views with us, as hearing from communities affected by challenges at the A83 Rest and Be Thankful is of utmost importance to us.

Please also note the A83 Story Map has been created to provide the latest information about the proposed scheme, which can be found here: Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Story Map (arcgis.com). The A83 Story Map also contains a ‘contact us’ section where anyone can ask questions of or provide feedback to the project team.

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ATAAB_067

1) Having visited the Exhibition in Arrochar 12th June I came away much better informed. My previous A83 ‘prefered route’ was to follow the general line of the present forestry road on the opposite side of Glen Croe. However, I was assured by [REDACTED] of Transport Scotland that this has been investigated and rejected, on the grounds that it was apparently also subject to landslip. I have always considered that these slopes as part of Ben Donich wer less steep overall than hillside opposite, on Beinn Luibhean. Having studies the exhibition information clearly explained by [REDACTED] and considered the other options, my own view is in favour of the Preferred Route for the permanent long term solution at the A83 Rest and be Thankful (the brown option) with the Debris Flow Shelter. The idea of the proposed maintenance access track onto the roof of the shelter for removal of debris from the catchpit areas thereby reducing the impact of disrupting traffic seems to me a workable and safe arrangement – providing a visually acceptable site for the debris is available (perhaps upgrading forestry roads?). The scale of the imposing surroundings of Glen Croe would be in my view well able to accommodate the presence of a flow shelter e.g. when viewed from the hillside opposite on the sloped of Ben Donich. It would also be very much less intrusive than a viaduct scheme.

2) The exhibition video shows long, broken, white centre lines through the shelter. Double continuous white lines would surely be advisable? *CYCLISTS: safety lane provision for cyclists would be essential, at least within the shelter section. *The OMR has considerable historical significance. It was also the site of a famous car speed hillclimb for years, as the RACD National Hillclimb Championship. I think this should be properly respected in the course of ‘improvements’. I understand that the OMR will return to it’s traditional form, including the hairpin near the top, after completion of the long term solution works. Business and year round users may well find the medium term use of the OMR a problem especially HGV traffic.

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ATAAB_068

I would prefer the brown option, the debris flow shelter'

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ATAAB_069

Looks to be a practical solution that will deliver the required resilience to the route

[REDACTED] land appears to be impacted in a couple of ways - 1. part of the [REDACTED] car park at the top of the Rest looks to be required for the construction - will there be provision to extend the car park westwards to retain the usable area, and redesign the car park to include interpretation of the works? There might be an opportunity for the redesign to allow the car park to remain open when the OMR is in operation as a diversion route? 2. [REDACTED] require ongoing access to the hillside above the catch netting, approximately where the access route to the roof of the shelter is shown. Can provision be made to allow this access to remain, to allow maintenance of the new woodland area?

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We understand the importance of the A83 Rest and Be Thankful car park and bus stop. A key aspect of the ongoing Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) Stage 3 assessment is to consider ways to refine the design to retain and where possible improve the amenity and usability of this asset. Similarly, the design will seek to ensure access is retained or appropriate alternative access provided to the adjacent landscape including the new woodland area.

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ATAAB_070

On preferred Route
a) It has taken 20 years to do what should have been done in less that 5 years to determine the best option
b) Hundred of millions of pounds have been wasted in studies, exhibitions, and temporary measures, much of which is now abortive

I would appreicate detailed reply on points made below:
From brief discussion at exhibition, not convinced enough ground investigation to substantiate viability and cost of preferred Brown option. E.g. can the weight of the debris flow shelter be taken by the existing (unstable?) road embankment? And hence cost implications - is this included for in £430 million cost estimate?

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Thank you for your feedback. The engagement will consider numerous factors including accesses.

The assessment to date has been based on a preliminary ground investigation which is usual practice and considered sufficient to undertake the comparative assessment of options as part of the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) Stage 2 assessment.

Now that the preferred route option has been identified, more detailed and targeted ground investigation is being undertaken to enable the more detailed ongoing design and assessment. We are expecting detailed ground investigation works to commence early next year. This approach is considered best practice for all equivalent linear infrastructure schemes. We note that the preferred route option seeks to work with and make use of the catch pits which have already been constructed meaning in some areas no additional excavation will be required.

With respect to the cost estimates, these were established for all options considered as part of the DMRB Stage 2 assessment process.

To establish the cost estimates, the options were broken down to key components with a rate applied based on the latest market information from a variety of available sources.

For each option, a quantified risk assessment was also developed which sought to apply a cost or benefit from each of the risks and opportunities defined which included risks with respect to ground conditions. The value of the costs and benefits were then added to the cost estimate for each option.

Furthermore, an Optimism Bias has also been applied to each cost estimate including the preferred route option. Optimism Bias is the recognised way of adjusting cost estimates to account for a tendency towards underestimation. The value of Optimism Bias is greater the earlier in the scheme and reduces as the scheme develops and more information is known. This is again considered best practice and used throughout the UK.

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ATAAB_071

Hi Argyll access team

We enjoyed a very informative visit to your exhibition in Lochgilphead, especially our very productive conversation with your excellent and knowledgeable representative [REDACTED].

However, the underlying question still remains as to why the 'Brown' option appears once again after 10 years when it was first suggested and only now being decided after spending many thousands of taxpayers money for a temporary solution in addition to all the ongoing inconvenience to both the public and Argyll businesses.

We therefore trust that the implementation of the permanent solution will be the Brown option-Debris Flow Shelter, which is our preferred option and to be completed as soon as possible.

Yours in anticipation of a speedy resolve.

[REDACTED]

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ATAAB_072

Having been driving this road regularly for over 40 years, it is a relief that this preferred route has finally been chosen - to myself and my neighbours it has seemed the only viable option from the outset. Hopefully now the consultation phase can be concluded quickly, and an efficient construction programme urgently put in place.
[REDACTED], priority considerations for us are efficient and safe turning onto and off of the Glen Mhor B828, and maintaining a designated interchange bus stop for the CityLink and local bus services which is NOT blocked by touring coaches as frequently happens in summer months at present.
Special consideration will need to be given to winter conditions - ability to clear snow that will be driven sideways into the covered section of road, and also potential for snow/ice build-up at the entrance and exit to the covered section. Drivers will need warning of the potential sudden change of surface conditions here.

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ATAAB_073

The preferred route seems a reasonable solution to me, the only concern I have would be the fact the the engineering works for the solution will obviously mean that the current A83 route will be obstructed for some considerable time while works are ongoing.

The main thing is that a solution is finally being considered and as long as some solution is engineered, that is the main thing as Argyll road users have suffered for far too long with road works and closures.

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ATAAB_074

1 We approve of the reccomended route (brown option). 2.Up-grading the Old Military Road should commence as a priority. 3. The construction of the permanent solution should commence immediately

This solution is long overdue. It was clear 10 years ago that this was the necessary design - as has been used in Europe for many years. 2. The delay over the last 10 years has been unacceptable and a complete waste of money.

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ATAAB_075

The solution in my opinion is suitable and should have been done years ago. My only question is when will this be completed and give people of Argyll to have a reliable road network.

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ATAAB_076

I attended the exhibition in Lochgilphead.and have a few comments to make on the proposal for a flow shelter.
The road corridor will need to be widened for the shelter, say 7.3m road and 2.5m cycleway / footway on either side. In addition, the outer support will probably need to be located 1-2m inside the existing safety barrier. You will need to excavate approx 8m width into the hillside and all the sump pits that have been excavated in the last few years will need to be infilled.
The simplest option is to re-route the road to the other side of the glen. The entire route could be realigned with no hold ups for through traffic apart from the tie-ins.
The best option has been ignored. Build a tunnel from the straight at Cairndow to The Torpedo Range just before Arrochar, This would also remove the landslip risk from the Cairndow straight and Glen Kinglas, which have been blocked by landslips recently.
Bearing in mind that the A9 dualling is twenty years behind schedule I can see it being thirty years before the A83 has a permanent solution.

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The Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) Stage 2 assessment considered a cross section which consisted of a 7.3m carriageway, 1.0m hard strips and minimally 2.5m verges. Beyond which there would be a protection wall and catch pit totalling approximately 7m’s, noting the above cross section would continue to be refined as we progress through the assessment process. The extent of the excavation would vary but as you suggest there could be around 8m of excavation in places. We note however that the preferred route option seeks to work with and make use of the ‘sump pits’ which have already been constructed, meaning in some areas no additional excavation will be required.

An important part of the assessment process is the consideration of walking, cycling and wheeling provision and this will be considered further through DMRB Stage 3. As part of this process there will continue to be opportunities to share your views with us, as hearing from communities affected by challenges at the A83 Rest and Be Thankful is of utmost importance to us.

As part of the DMRB Stage 2 assessment, the option known as the Green Option considered a road on the opposite side of the glen. Full details of this option is contained in the DMRB Stage 2 report, part 2 which can be found here: Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) stage two route options assessment report - A83 Access to Argyll and Bute | Transport Scotland

The DMRB Stage 2 assessment concluded that the slope on the opposite side of the glen is also potentially vulnerable to landslip and boulder fall, meaning an equivalent debris flow shelter structure would be required on that side, over a potentially much longer length to protect the Green Option. This would be in addition to two significant viaduct structures to take the road across the glen on both sides. The result would be a much longer construction duration for the Green Option compared to the other options considered.

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ATAAB_077

1). It is welcome news that the A83 project is being developed. However the consultation I attended in Lochgilphead raises a number of practical and aesthetic concerns about the proposed Brown scheme. Please see following comment:

Negative visual impact of the proposed design shelter scheme located within the Loch Lomond National Park - an area that is sensitive to development and of outstanding visual beauty. The journey through the national park, surrounding environment and iconic views are an economic asset to Argyll & Bute offering drama and beauty to visitors and local communities alike. The proposed design scheme of the Shelter is unsightly and highly insensitive to the amenity and experience of travel through the mountains. It is very important that a new road design addresses the land slide issues AND also at the same time takes into account the surrounding amenity of the environment. This is one of Scotland’s iconic road journeys.

The proposed use of the Old Military Road as the main artery road into Argyll and Bute is both impractical and highly risky to rural businesses, tourism and the local community some of whom are only recovering from the pandemic. There was no information available at the consultation about the economic impact which is an obvious question. However it is common sense that the closure of the A83 with access to the Old Military Road is going to be hugely disruptive to local communities, businesses and visitors to the area who provide essential income to local businesses. The Brown option is impractical and not viable as journey time will be slow, unpredictable and will risk the future development of businesses to and from Argyll. The design of the shelter structure is unsightly and insensitive to the mountain environment.

The Shelter design does not fully address the issues of landslide on A83 both after completion and during the construction process of 4 years+. Landslides could take place before and after the length of the shelter and during construction of the new road a landslide is likely to impact the use of the Old Military Road. Even once completion of the Brown scheme the use of heavy machinery operating above the road is unsightly, risky and unattractive to an area that is noted for outstanding beauty and drama.

2) Additional information

The staff at the consultation did not seem open to other options and answered by saying would "we prefer to use the long diversion instead around A82..”. My impression is that some of the staff present are unaware of living in a rural context and do not know that rural living means there is acceptance of extreme unusual weather and how this can impact journeys (snow, wind, landslide) but at the same time there is an awareness of the implications of the solutions involving the A83.

If this was a situation affecting the M8 between Edinburgh and Glasgow would you accept it being closed for 3 to 4 years to fix it? I think not. The number of users is not a factor to justify a cheaper option that in reality is hugely expensive for the people who live in Argyll.

In other words my main issue is the cost saving made by the selection of the cheapest scheme - Brown scheme is that its economic and social impacts have not been quantified - the resulting economic impact of shutting the main route to Argyll for 3-4 years will severely impact the amenity for local communities, visitors and businesses resulting in lost revenue and opportunities. It is not a viable option to close a trunk road and expect the public to use a side road for this length of time. Please can you provide information of an example in the UK where this has been done successfully?

The Brown Shelter design is unaesthetic and unsuitable to be sited within an area of outstanding beauty. The viaduct or tunnel options are more suitable to a 21st century solution. It is understood there are financial pressures but in the long-term the costs of a viaduct or a tunnel as preferred options are much more likely to improve the amenity for local businesses, local communities and visitors and to attract future investment within a sustainable solution and less likely to be impacted by landslides in the future.

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In response to your query regarding visual impacts, we appreciate the importance of the panoramic quality of Glen Croe and this has been a key consideration throughout our assessment work. A Landscape and Visual Impact Assessment was undertaken as part of Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) Stage 2 and is reported in part 3, sections 5 and 6 of the DMRB Stage 2 report which can be found here: Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) stage two route options assessment report – A83 Access to Argyll and Bute | Transport Scotland.

Landscape and visual impact continue to form a key aspect of the DMRB Stage 3 assessment process through which we are considering ways to integrate the preferred route option into the landscape. This includes the extent and aesthetics of the exposed rock faces, the debris flow shelter structure and roof. The debris flow shelter will also be mostly open on the valley side which will allow road users to continue to enjoy views of the landscape as they pass through the structure. As part of DMRB Stage 3 we regularly engage with stakeholders including the National Park and Argyll & Bute Council regarding the design and aesthetics of the scheme. There will also continue to be opportunities to share your views with us, as hearing from communities affected by challenges at the A83 Rest and Be Thankful is of utmost importance to us. We intend to continue engagement through the assessment process and will ensure the A83 Story Map, which can be found here: Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Story Map (arcgis.com) is kept up-to-date as the scheme develops.

With regard to the use of the Old Military Road (OMR), the improvements proposed to the OMR as part of the medium-term solution (MTS) will not only improve the safety and resilience of the OMR as the local diversion but also reduce journey times compared to what is experienced when the OMR is in use now. This will be principally achieved through widening the OMR to increase the extent of the two-way operation as far as practical. In parallel with this, our multidisciplinary team is working hard to consider opportunities to minimise disruption during the construction of the permanent solution, which includes prefabrication and modular construction amongst other techniques.

The DMRB assessment process which informed the preferred route option for the permanent long-term solution considers a balanced assessment across engineering, environmental, traffic and economic criteria.

The impact of disruption during construction associated with all options including the Brown Option (preferred option), was considered under the traffic and economic assessment and is reported in part 4 of the DMRB Stage 2 report which can be accessed at the link provided previously. This assessment considered the works proposed to the OMR as part of the MTS. It is noted that we will continue to update the economic assessment through DMRB Stage 3.

The extent of all options considered at DMRB Stage 2 sought to address the risk of landslips associated with the Beinn Luibhean slope. The exact extent of the debris flow shelter will be refined through DMRB Stage 3 to ensure it covers the part of the road considered to be at higher risk of debris flows and landslips.

During the ongoing development, communities and users will continue to be engaged to ensure their feedback helps shape the solution going forward.

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ATAAB_078

The only logical solution in terms of geotechnical risk management.
The solution addresses the prevailing geotechnical hazards - 1 - Extensive erodible deposits prone to debris flow 2 - Boulders 3 - High strength deposits at shallow depth 4 - Buried obstructions under existing road

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ATAAB_079

This seems quite suitable but needs to be built as soon as possible.
It would be much appreciated if public toilets along with a small visitor centre (and even a cafe) was built at the summit. In such a remote area surely this would make good sense for regular users and tourists.

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ATAAB_080

Looks ugly! It ruins the scenery! Makes me not want to go there and visit! I will be avoiding the area if this is want your doing to the beautiful country sites and views! Looks like a concrete coffin!
As I said above I will not use this or visit the area with that covering the road! Disgusting and wasteful money, putting towards this horrible concrete monstrosity!

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ATAAB_081

Why are the catchpits required - why not design it in such a way as to deflect and debric to the downhill side of the road?

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Thank you for your feedback.

The catch pits are designed to channel landslip material and rock fall, allowing it to be removed safely and efficiently without adversely impacting the road user or the slopes below the A83. They also contribute to our ability to manage potential changes to the hillside and the water environment.

The catch pits are designed to work in combination with the debris flow shelter, with the roof of the debris flow shelter providing an extra level of protection from very extreme landslide events as well as protecting the road users from boulder fall. The roof will also provide maintenance access to the catch pit and the structure itself. The design of the debris flow shelter and catch pit will be further refined as we take the scheme through the next phase of design and assessment.

Full details of how and why this option evolved to include catch pits, opposed to allowing the material to flow over the roof are contained in the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) Stage 2 report, part 2, section 5.2 which can be found here: Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) stage two route options assessment report - A83 Access to Argyll and Bute | Transport Scotland.

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ATAAB_082

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Very good solution that should keep any disruption to a minimum. Finally copying good ideas from the European road network that actually do their job, and I hope this scheme does just that. Overall, I am fully supportive of this scheme and hope it gets completed ASAP.

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ATAAB_083

I think it's the most sensible solution from the options presented. The approach will greatly assist the route being integrated into the landscape, and the open sides of the 'tunnel' will allow light and the view in.

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ATAAB_084

Yeah good. But i cant help feeling the resources would be better spent on the A82 loch Lomond. It carries more traffic. But i welcoeme investment and hope this is the start of good infrastructure projects that will good for the economy and good for the environment ( less traffic, less trips, and active travel provisions)
Why are tunnels so expensive?, there is little transport management in the construction, you dont have to play around with as much soil, and costs should be more predictable, no hidden artefacts etc.

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ATAAB_085

I understand from comment made at the exhibition that the preferred route debris flow shelter will be a stand alone structure and will not be keyed into the adjacent hillside, due to the friability of the hillside rock, and in order to facilitate the provision of the catch pit. Consequently, any benefit in reducing the impact of the shelter on the hillside will be negated. This will complicate and pose difficulties in designing a shelter suitable for an area designated as a national park.
2. It is not clear where any spoil from the catch pit will be deposited. At present the dumping of spoil adjacent to the A83 at the Butterbridge and Glen Kinglas detracts from the landscape of the glen which of course is not in the national park area

3. Again, I understand that the work on the shelter will not commence until the Old Military Road has been upgraded to accommodate traffic while the shelter is being built. After all the years of waiting for a solution to the problem, it is vital that a time frame is made public regarding the phased work on the project. This is not available just now, not being mentioned in the medium term solution.

4. If the option of a viaduct had been taken forward, as the preferred solution, then the existing use of the A83 could have continued while the viaduct was being constructed. A well designed viaduct would enhance the landscape of Glen Croe and act as a focal point for entry to Argyll, providing a memorable, visual experience for visitors to the west coast of Scotland, similar to that of the Kylesku bridge, in Sutherland.

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Thank you for your feedback.

1 - The debris flow shelter and catch pit is being designed to ensure it can withstand all appropriate loading conditions based on the developing assessment. This includes the lateral loading imposed by a debris flow event. To provide the necessary level of restraint in this condition, ‘anchoring’ into the rock within the hill is required; and the mechanism to best achieve this will be refined through the ongoing development process and informed by additional targeted ground investigation proposed on the hillside.

Through the ongoing design development, we will also continue to consider ways to further integrate the preferred route option into the adjacent landscape. This will include the extent and aesthetics of the exposed rock faces, the debris flow shelter structure and roof.

2 - In response to your second comment regarding the spoil from the catch pit, this again forms a key part of the ongoing design development and assessment.

The design of the structure includes maintenance access on the roof of the debris flow shelter, meaning should debris need to be cleared from the catch pit, this can be done safely from the roof, without adversely impacting the road user. Moreover, we continue to investigate ways to safely pass some of the sediment under the road through culverts, to retain the natural processes of sediment transfer as far as possible. This means disposal of spoil from the catch pit would generally be following a major event only.

3 - In response to your query about timescales, we are working at pace to deliver the permanent solution as quickly as possible. The next stage of this is the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) Stage 3 assessment which will conclude in the preparation of draft Road Orders and an Environmental Impact Assessment Report which we are working to publish before the end of 2024 as noted in the exhibition panels.

Timescales thereafter will depend on whether any objections are received to the proposed scheme, as these will need to be addressed before a main works contractor is appointed and the scheme moves to construction. Noting the construction is estimated to take between three to four years, with the range reflecting the risk of weather to the construction duration.

The medium-term solution (MTS) was announced in December 2022, with its intent being to deliver a safe, proportionate and more resilient diversion route for use when the A83 is closed. As you suggest, the interventions will be in place prior to the construction of the permanent solution to reduce the disruption during the construction period.

The suggestion of a phased approach is to ensure the MTS interventions are delivered as quickly as possible, considering the relevant statutory processes that need to be adhered to. This includes developing a proactive and robust delivery and procurement strategy to ensure the works are delivered successfully. The first phase of the MTS has now commenced and we will continue to update the communities and road users as further details are available.

4 – With respect to your comment regarding a viaduct, the DMRB Stage 2 assessment considered a comparative assessment of principally five options which included various combinations of viaducts, tunnels and debris flow shelters.

The DMRB assessment process considers a balanced assessment across engineering, environmental, traffic and economic criteria. Noting disruption during construction associated with all options is considered under the traffic and economic assessment.

The key reasons to support the preferred route option are that it could achieve the scheme objectives of improving resilience and operational safety of the trunk road network. In addition to being the most favourable of all options across a broad range of environmental criteria, whilst having the greatest potential to be delivered quickly and the greatest opportunity to encourage sustainable travel.

Full details of the assessment are contained on the DMRB Stage 2 report which can be found here: Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) stage two route options assessment report - A83 Access to Argyll and Bute | Transport Scotland.

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ATAAB_086

The route you have chosen is Ideal and the cover over the highway is an proved method of rockfall protection. Why this was not proposed years ago is beyond me. The sooner it is completed the better.

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ATAAB_087

[REDACTED] This letter is a response to the above consultation being undertaken with regard to the preferred route for a permanent, long-term solution for Trunk Road access to Argyll & Bute by way of the A83.

[REDACTED] is a developer, owner and operator in renewable energy, active in the UK and throughout Scandinavia [REDACTED].

[REDACTED] is very supportive of the proposals to improve and upgrade the A83 route in principle and recognises that in terms of the various project objectives covering matters such as resilience, safety, sustainable travel and the environment, that an upgrade to the route can result in considerable benefits. In particular, it is recognised that the landslide issues are considerable and must be addressed by way of an upgrade to this route infrastructure.

The consultation material refers to a Traffic and Economic Assessment as being important and it is noted that it sets out that the A83 is considered as key infrastructure in supporting the wider national economy (connecting businesses and communities, facilitating access to essential services, and supporting jobs and activities in industries such as healthcare, education, agriculture, forestry, tourism, energy and renewables). Therefore, consideration of the wider economic benefits also forms a key part of the assessment.

This recognition of key sectors of the economy (including specifically energy and renewables) and their reliance on the A83 is welcomed and indeed is considered to be a critical part of the assessment process in forming the final technical specification to be taken forward for implementation.

It is noted that in terms of next steps, the consultation material sets out that the next stage of the assessment process will include design development and refinement of the preferred route and further consultation with affected parties and relevant interest groups. In this regard [REDACTED] is active as a developer within the renewables sector throughout Scotland and has a number of project developments within Argyll & Bute.

Argyll & Bute and the Energy / Renewables sector & National Policy

The wider Argyll & Bute area is rich in renewable energy resources and has been very attractive to the wind energy sector. This is evidenced by the number of operational wind farms in the region and also by way of a substantial number of wind farm consents and other projects that are active within the planning system at the present time. In addition, various projects are in the pre-application planning stage.

Furthermore, considerable grid reinforcement has taken place and is still underway within the region which will enable the transmission of considerable consented and contracted renewable capacity.

The western Argyll and Kintyre area can be accessed by way of a marine port at Campbeltown which links to the A83 northwards to Tarbert and Lochgilphead. However, the eastern part of Argyll west of Arrochar and east of Inveraray and extending southwards towards Bute and covering the Cowal Peninsula, relies upon road access by way of the A83 travelling from the east to provide a route for not only general construction traffic, but for Abnormal Indivisible Loads (AIL) which convey wind turbine tower and blade components. Given the nature of wind turbine components, the movement of these will frequently trigger AIL requirements.

National Planning Policy

In terms of national planning policy, National Planning Framework 4 (NPF4) came into force in February 2023. It identifies strategic renewable electricity generation and transmission infrastructure as having ‘national development’ status. The policy sets out that a large and rapid increase in electricity generation from renewable sources will be essential for Scotland to meet its Net Zero emission reduction targets. It sets out a specific ‘statement of need’ that additional electricity generated from renewables and electricity transmission capacity of scale is fundamental to achieving a Net Zero economy. The various national developments set out in NPF4 are to be a focus for delivery of the Government’s National Spatial Strategy.

More detailed planning policy support in relation to onshore wind is set out in the Onshore Wind Policy Statement (OWPS) which was published by the Scottish Government in December 2022. It sets out (page 3) that:

“Scotland has been a front runner in onshore wind and, while other renewable technologies are starting to reach commercial maturity, continued deployment of onshore wind will be key to ensuring our 2030 targets are met”.

The OWPS adds (page 5) that there is a requirement to go “further and faster than before” and that given the anticipated increases in peak demand for electricity that this will “require a substantial increase in installed capacity across all renewable technologies”. Within the OWPS the Government sets out a new minimum installed capacity of 20 Gigawatts (GW) of onshore wind in Scotland by 2030. At present there is only some 8.7 GW operational in Scotland, therefore there is to be a substantial increase in the deployment of onshore wind in particular before 2030, but also beyond that date.

Given the scale of the deployment of onshore wind required, the Government is progressing with the establishment of an Onshore Wind Sector Deal which will involve a collaborative approach across

Government, industry and community representatives and other stakeholders to deliver the Government’s onshore wind ambitions.

The OWPS sets out (chapter 7, paragraph 7.1.3) that in order to meet the legally binding Net Zero targets, the Government estimates that some 3,400 additional turbines will need to be installed in Scotland between now and 2030. This is the equivalent of a new turbine being installed every day between 2025 and 2030. The Government sets out in the statement that:

“Given this, and the significant issues surrounding the transportation of components, this issue has been brought into fresh focus, as we consider it could have serious implications on the delivery of our renewable energy pipeline and subsequent threat to our 2030 net zero targets”.

The Government makes it clear in the OWPS that it is working directly with senior members of Police Scotland (with regard to AIL escorts) and haulier industries to ensure that turbine components can be efficiently and effectively conveyed to sites.

A related issue is that with technological advances, turbine components are increasing in size which means that the choice of access routes by way of the strategic road network is becoming more limited. It is therefore imperative that if new road infrastructure is being planned, that it should have a sufficient specification such that it has the ability to accommodate the transport of current and future sized components. In this regard it is considered critical that the new route and infrastructure to be implemented on the A83 be ‘future proofed’ such that it can continue to provide an access route for AIL for the eastern area of Argyll & Bute, which at the present time does not have appropriate marine access, such as that enjoyed in Kintyre.

Technical Review

We understand that the current proposals for the debris shelter option provide for a 7.2m wide running surface and a maximum height of 5.3m. Whilst these dimensions may cater for current wind farm AIL access, current trends for higher and larger rotor diameters are likely to exceed the height parameters in the mid to longer term.

The current largest tower section for a 155 – 170m wind turbine rotor at a tip height (ground to highest tip when rotating) is circa 4.8m. With a ground clearance of 0.2m and a further air space of 0.2m, this results in a height envelope of 5.2m. FORL is aware however that for turbine tip heights of over 250m that tower dimensions in excess of 5.0m are proposed. This widened tower section allows for greater structural stability through the operational life of the turbine.

Turbine tip heights of over 200m are now becoming more acceptable given the increase in power and generation availability that these machines can bring. It is therefore foreseeable that such applications in eastern Argyll will be made for new sites and for the repowering of existing operational sites.

With a 5.8m wide tower section, the clearance envelope required would be 6.2m. A figure illustrating such a tower section is provided in the attached drawing for your information. Such a load could not pass through the proposed debris shelter, with the necessary roof height required to be up to 6.5m.

The ability for developers to influence or change the tower specifications with turbine suppliers is limited and the ability to provide site specific towers is not wholly economical. As such, a limit on tower dimensions may significantly restrict the ability for development to occur in these areas.

The types of high load that the proposed debris shelter may restrict would include turbine tower loads, access for High Voltage (HV) power transformers and access for adjacent energy technologies such as Synchronous Condensers (required for grid stability) and Hydrogen electrolysers (another key component for the transition to green fuel sources, especially important for local production in rural areas).

The transport of high loads is not the only factor to consider. The enclosed nature of the debris shelter may also restrict the ability for long loads to transit this section of road. As the proposed design has yet to be finalised and that the internal vertical and horizontal curvature is as yet unknown, we recommend and request that the ability of turbine blade loads up to 90m in length is considered in your design. We would be happy to undertake a further assessment once more details of the debris shelter are available.

Alternative Routes

By the nature of the proposed loads, the diversion of loads via Tyndrum and Dalmally is not feasible due to a number of road geometric, structural and environmental restrictions.

Access along the Old Military Road to bypass this section of the A83 is also not feasible due to significant geometric constraints on the route.

Access for AIL loads into eastern Argyll can only practically occur along the A83.

Access During Ground Investigation and Construction Activities

We acknowledge that a decision on the final form of the debris shelter is not yet known, and that further design and investigation works are to be undertaken. We would be grateful if consideration could be made for AIL access during the site investigation survey stage and during construction works, so not to impede access for projects during that time.

Recommendations with Regards to Infrastructure Specification

To ensure that the proposed debris shelter can accommodate future AIL movements associated with renewable energy projects in eastern Argyll, we would be grateful if the following recommendations could be noted and accounted for in the detailed design stage:

> That the available road width is a minimum of 7.3m;

> That the available width within the structure that can be used for load oversail of the verge is at least 8m;

> That the minimum available height is 6.5m;

> That the design of the structure considers the kinematic envelope of a 90m turbine blade; and

> That axle loads of up to 15 tonnes can be accommodated.

Conclusions

The consultation on the preferred route is welcomed and in conclusion, it is considered by [REDACTED] that it is imperative that the final specification, in particular with regard to the height and width of the debris flow shelter be such that it can accommodate the maximum estimated component dimensions which would be conveyed by way of AILs.

As explained, this would ensure that the Government’s policy ambitions could be met, and that this extensive area of Argyll & Bute is not unnecessarily sterilised for development by way of an access restriction. There is an opportunity now to futureproof the preferred option such that this part of Argyll can continue to play an important and indeed essential role in helping Scotland attain its onshore wind deployment and related legally binding Net Zero targets.

The technical advisors to [REDACTED] would be very pleased to continue to liaise and engage with Transport Scotland on this matter and should any further information be required or if clarification is needed on any point, please do not hesitate to contact me directly.

[REDACTED]

Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

Please find below a response to your feedback.

Thank you for your feedback.

We note your support for the proposals to upgrade the A83 in principle. We also note your reference to the renewables sector in Argyll and Bute and various aspects of National Policy, namely the National Planning Framework 4 (NPF4) and the Onshore Wind Policy Statement (OWPS).

Since the preferred route option was announced in Spring 2023, design work for scheme is progressing as part of the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) Stage 3 Assessment. This design work will continue in the coming months to inform the Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) and statutory process.

Whilst the design work is ongoing, we have provided a response below to the comments raised as part of your feedback. We would be happy to continue engagement with [REDACTED] as the scheme progresses.

Scottish High Load Grid

Transport Scotland published The High Load Grid in November 2022. This document sets out details of the strategic network of trunk and non-trunk road routes with protected headroom clearances greater than the recognised UK standard of 5.03m (this being the maintained headroom requirement set out in DMRB CD 127 ‘Cross sections and headrooms’, recognising that new construction requires a headroom of 5.3m to be achieved).

The routes listed in The High Load Grid are considered suitable for vehicles with a travelling height equal to or less than those stated, provided that all other laden dimensions and weights comply with The Road Vehicle (Construction & Use) Regulations and other relevant legislation.

At present, no section of the A83 trunk road is identified as a high load route. Transport Scotland does not propose to designate the A83 as a high load route.

Existing A83 & Connecting Road Network Constraints

There are several locations on the A83 route and on the connecting road network outwith the extents of the proposed scheme where vertical road geometry constraints are currently in place. These existing constraints do not conform with current DMRB standards and limit certain vehicles using the A83 and the surrounding road network.

Examples include:

The railway structure over the A83 near Arrochar (approximately 8km east of the scheme), where the maximum headroom is 4.87m (16ft);
The railway structure over the A814 near Portincaple (approximately 20km south of the scheme), where the maximum headroom is 4.2m (13ft); and,
The steep bridge deck on the A83 near Inveraray (approximately 16km south-west of the scheme).

We understand that Network Rail is developing proposals to improve the headroom of the railway structure near Arrochar (first bullet point above) to 5.3m. There are currently no proposals in place to upgrade the other constraints noted above (or elsewhere on the network).

Emerging A83 Design

We confirm that the proposed cross-section within the emerging design is in line with the requirements for a rural all-purpose single carriageway road set out in DMRB CD 127 Figure 2.1.1N1e. This includes running lanes of 3.65m width in either direction (i.e. 7.3m overall width). The proposed cross section is wider than the existing A83 cross section which will make the A83 safer and improve its operation, particularly for large vehicles by increasing the width of usable carriageway.

We confirm that the minimum headroom for the debris flow shelter within the emerging design is 5.3m. This is in accordance with Table 4.1 of DMRB CD 127, recognising that the A83 does not form part of Transport Scotland’s High Load Grid.

A swept path analysis of the emerging design has been undertaken in both the northbound and southbound directions throughout the proposed scheme. This analysed a vehicle length of 50.351m, which is the largest vehicle type available in the industry standard Vehicle Tracking software used on the project (AutoTrack). The outcome of this analysis confirms that this design vehicle would have no issues navigating the horizontal geometry, provided it could use the full width of the proposed carriageway (likely facilitated by a temporary closure or halting of oncoming traffic). As the alignment of the debris flow shelter structure itself is relatively straight, longer vehicles could also likely be accommodated as a result of the widened cross section. We would be happy to continue consultation with [REDACTED] regarding this assessment.

Access During Ongoing Investigations and Construction

We note your comments regarding consideration for Abnormal Indivisible Loads (AIL) during both site investigation surveys and the construction phase.

Through the DMRB Stage 3 assessment, we are considering the constructability and construction details of the proposed scheme in more detail. As part of this review, a key consideration will be to ensure that impacts to road users and vehicles will be mitigated as far as practical but acknowledging the desire from many to have the permanent solution available as quickly as possible. We note your request that access to projects is not impeded.

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Thank you for your interest in the project.

ATAAB_088

[REDACTED]

Q1 Preferred Route: The selected option seems to have been heavily influenced by the remedial actions and significant investment that has been carried out to date, rather than identifying the most appropriate solution for the location that would be best for future road users in accessing (& leaving) Argyll and the West Coast. An iconic viaduct and tunnel solution, as adopted in many other countries with similar or in some cases, more extreme topography, would surely serve future visitors and frequent users better, to provide an outstanding vista of the Glen and surrounding hills.

This would be recognised as an attraction rather than just an economic solution to a long running problem. The covered structure with multiple supporting pillars will interfere with the outlook and be a noisy passage through the section which will severely restrict the image for many, unfamiliar with the former Rest and Be Thankful. The takeaway impression for many touring coach passengers, for example will not be an outstanding memory.

The option of a difficult reconstruction of the road, roof and service route, along with water courses and management will be disruptive for many months, requiring extensive use of the diversion route on the OMR. With this road’s steep incline and sharp bends, it will require ongoing traffic controls, resulting in delays and continued disruption that has been experienced hitherto.

These controls create long convoys of traffic that pass through the communities on either side of the RABT, resulting in frustration that sees many, in cars, vans and HGV’s trying to make up time by speeding and overtaking, elevating risk and concern for road safety in our villages.

Having heavy volumes of traffic through narrow Main Streets with no traffic calming measures, pedestrian crossing or separate cycle path is concerning and detracts from any pleasure in admiring views of the Loch and surrounding hills. Factor in a walking or cycle route to and from the local primary school and concerns are elevated for the Local Authority to provide bus transportation mitigation measures.

Local Bus and Citylink coach schedules for passenger uplift has seen disruption and delays to date, which for some saw missed connections and even Hospital and clinic appointments being missed, much to the annoyance of both the NHS and patients.

Q2 Any other information

Following attendance at the presentation event in the 3VH Arrochar and a very detailed talk-through of the exhibition boards, covering the background and proposed project solution outline, I would wish to provide a number of comments that come to mind, as a resident in the area, living beside the A83 at Tarbet with family, friends and business interests on both sides of the A83 Rest and be Thankful at Cairndow, Inveraray and Dunoon.

One of the biggest factors we have seen living alongside the A83 for over 70 years is the increase and type of traffic that is using the trunk road which runs through both Arrochar and Tarbet’s Main Streets. This, combined with the effect of the traffic control measures at RABT that create long strings of vehicles, most noticeably HGV’s many for timber haulage, that makes walking alongside on the pavement or crossing as a pedestrian, especially with children, dangerous and unpleasant, as drivers try to make up lost time, or overtake to get ahead of HGV’s.

As a car driver myself, joining the A83 from a side road or turning right across oncoming traffic, all takes time, patience or an increased risk of quickly seeing a small gap to cross or join. Locals know this, but those unfamiliar with long convoys and occasional gaps get caught out.

Traffic flow in the opposite direction from northbound A82 can also have long streams of traffic being held up by a slow moving HGV or wide load that increases the complexity of traffic flow in each direction.

Looking at potential benefits locally to offset issues, such as above, we’ve seen very few jobs created here with most large scale contractors involved, transporting their staff to the RABT site from outwith the area.

Some local accommodation providers and hotel chains have seen increased bed nights during stages of work over the years of disruption, which has reduced some costs on Fuel and travel time, along with reducing the ever-concerning carbon footprint involved in vehicles travelling to and from this rural location, from the Central belt bases of many Transport Scotland, BEAR staff and the chain of sub-contractors and suppliers involved.

This includes the specialised traffic control company that we see commuting in their fleet vehicles day-in, day-out 24-7 & 365 to oversee, manage vehicle monitoring and control, which would be an interesting cost to identify in addressing RABT issues. As I would consider it to be substantial.

Seeing welfare units providing food and drinks, again within a larger contractor’s resources or contracted out to a Central Belt provider, does not support the local economy, especially over the quieter winter season, with fewer passing visitors about, local businesses would welcome additional trade to offset losses incurred during early landslip mitigations, with road closure and all through traffic diverted.

Another problem that has been highlighted locally is that public transport schedules have been severely disrupted during RABT delays, diversions and closures. As mentioned previously, this resulted in missed NHS appointments at Vale of Leven, Paisley and Glasgow hospitals and clinics. It affected the 302 local bus service from Lochgoilhead & Carrick Castle, through Arrochar to Helensburgh and beyond, as well as the Citylink Services from Campbeltown and Oban that come over the RABT, travelling to Dumbarton and Glasgow, from where patients need to connect with other city buses and taxis.

We would hope that the consultation would seek the views of representative bodies for regular road users, particularly motoring organisations (AA & RAC, etc), along with Delivery and Haulage Contractors, Suppliers, West Coast Motors/Citylink and Tour coach operators. The Owners of the Drimsynie Holiday resort at Lochgoilhead, that I know have affected many bookings and cancellations due to road closures and lengthy diversions.

The aims of the Scottish Government and Transport Scotland to target Net Zero and establish sustainable transport systems seems to absolve BEAR and their Contractors from sourcing locally and relying on National networks and suppliers. The heritage of road construction camps and bases appears to be overlooked in favour of Construction “commuting” for staff and vehicles, travelling long distances into and outwith the area on a daily basis, with relatively few staying locally from our understanding and view on high volumes of passing traffic through Arrochar and Tarbet.

With a number of road works and other developments being considered in this area for the A83 and other major projects such as : the A82 North of Tarbet; Network Rail replacement of a Rail bridge between Tarbet and Arrochar; Argyll & Bute Council redeveloping a Car Park at the head of Loch Long; LL&T NPA redeveloping a Car Park at the junction of the A82 and A83; SSEN(T) upgrading HV Pylon Lines between Tarbet and Windyhills; SSE replacing Sloy Power Station Transformer substation with a new compound nearby; SSE Renewables developing a new pumped storage facility at Sloy on A82.

We then anticipate more Timber felling and extraction by F&LS on the Argyll Forest and very soon for the East Loch Lomond with timber being transferred to the West side for onward road transfer to the Sawmills via A82 at Tarbet.

The combined effect of the number and scale of these proposals will impact on our village communities and to date little efforts have been forthcoming to compensate and offset the effects of these large scale operations.

There have been public exhibitions allowing the projects to gather feedback and comply with community consultations for planning and other large project requirements.

Although to date we haven’t seen any real engagement or attempts to involve and discuss ongoing issues and matters that arise during projects. Requests have to be made on road cleaning and culvert damage repair when attributable to project contractors that have been addressed on some occasions but nothing substantial has been seen to benefit the area from the disruptions to the quality of life for residents and those growing up here.

The other observation we would make is for some collaboration and integrated work rather than each project and major works being tackled totally independently of each other when transport, materials equipment and plant are all common requirements and we see many on and off-hire transportation of similar plant & equipment.

I’m sure that with such a major project and the scale and cost of preliminary research and investigation that a lasting legacy can also be factored in that would benefit the local communities of Arrochar & Tarbet, along with through traffic benefits and visitor attractiveness of the area.

One suggestion I’ve heard discussed is the possibility of using infill materials to create a causeway bypass across the head of Loch Long removing the trunk road from the Main Street. This might also address the continual problem of Marine Litter accumulations at the head of Loch Long by fashioning litter catchment basins.

Creating an HGV stopover on A83 near A82 to allow Lorries to be “stacked” when RTA’s and stoppages require temporary road closures on A82/A83 to prevent traffic gridlock on A814 Loch Long road which prevents Ambulance and emergency vehicle access and evacuation from the area.

Improving marine access to Loch Long for visitor access and recreation along with the possibility of timber haulage and transportation as an alternative to road routes alone could be considered.

Ideas such as improvements to visitor infrastructure with infill for Car, Motorhome and HGV parking areas could well be accommodated alongside major project works that would provide lasting benefits for the community and all road users.

The formation of a local liaison group (Arrochar, Lochgoilhead, Cairndow & possibly Inveraray) for the lifetime of the project would be suggested to help anticipated issues prior to and throughout construction.

I hope these comments are seen to be helpful in understanding a local perspective.

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Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

Please find below a response to your feedback.

Thank you for your feedback.

The Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) assessment is a balanced assessment process used throughout the UK which considers engineering, environment, traffic and economic criteria.

At DMRB Stage 2, the assessment considered a comparative assessment of principally five options which included various combinations of viaducts, tunnels and debris flow shelters.

Following the comparative assessment process the Brown Option (debris flow shelter and catch pit) was selected as the preferred route option. Overall, it performed better across the engineering, environment, traffic and economic criteria compared to the other options assessed, including the viaduct and tunnel options which were known as the yellow, purple and pink options.

The key reasons to support the debris flow shelter as the preferred route option are that it could achieve the scheme objectives of improving resilience and operational safety of the trunk road network. In addition to being the most favourable of all options across a broad range of environmental criteria, whilst having the greatest potential to be delivered quickly and providing the greatest opportunity to encourage sustainable travel.

The online nature of the preferred route option means the majority of the construction will be undertaken in an area which has already been disturbed by the construction of the existing A83. This has some advantages with respect to minimising environmental impact and as you have noted, the preferred route option is able to make some use of previous construction works. Conversely, and as you suggest, the online nature of the works will mean traffic may be diverted to the Old Military Road (OMR) during significant periods of construction. Although we note our multidisciplinary team is working hard to consider opportunities to minimise disruption during the construction of the permanent solution, which includes prefabrication and modular construction amongst other techniques.

The diversion to the OMR was accounted for as a disbenefit within the traffic and economic assessment which considered the possible impact of delays during construction to road users and the economy as reported in the DMRB Stage 2 report, part 4.

We note however that the diversion will not be to the OMR as it is at present, but the OMR as improved by the medium-term solution (MTS). The MTS will include a programme of improvements to the OMR. These improvements are designed to reduce journey times by increasing the length of two-way operation, whilst also improving the safety and resilience of the OMR as a temporary diversion to the A83. Every effort is being made to ensure these interventions are in place as soon as possible and prior to the start of construction of the permanent solution. The first phase of the MTS has now commenced.

Thank you for your further observations as a resident living beside the A83. We are committed to delivering a long-term and sustainable solution to the issues faced at the Rest and Be Thankful, which means continual traffic control measures will no longer be required at this location and will reduce the potential for convoys on the A83.

We note your comments regarding the wider A83 and A82 road network which relates to safe crossing locations and overtaking.

We appreciate your views on the potential wider community benefits the scheme could have with respect to job creation and supporting local businesses. This is an important area, and we are working hard to consider where and how the scheme might deliver these community benefits as far as practical through the design, procurement, and construction phases.

With respect to public transport, this is also a key focus area moving forward. Particularly with respect to the bus stop at the Rest and Be Thankful, noting we are assessing opportunities to encourage sustainable travel within the corridor. This includes bus, walking, cycling and wheeling facilities.

In relation to engagement there will continue to be opportunities to share your views with us, as hearing from communities affected by challenges at the A83 Rest and Be Thankful is of utmost importance to us. We intend to hold further engagement events through the assessment process and will ensure the A83 Story Map, which can be found here: Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Story Map (arcgis.com) is kept up-to-date as the scheme develops.

We will also continue to engage with the A83 Task Force which is chaired by the Minister for Transport and was set up in recognition of the issues faced by communities, businesses and road users. The A83 Task Force is made up of and represents a variety of stakeholders, including the local authority, national park authority, community councils, local businesses, hauliers, bus operators and other interested parties. It is a key forum for feedback which we will continue to use to inform the ongoing assessment and shape the emerging design.

If you require any further information, please email A83@WSP.com.

Thank you for your interest in the project.

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Transport for Scotland

Alternative proposals for The A83 approach to the Rest And Be Thankful Pass

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We think the preferred concrete shelter and catch pit idea has many disadvantages and problems. We believe the best option is the viaduct and short tunnel.

Arguments against the concrete shelter and catch pit option

1.It would be unsightly and spoil a famous, historic and iconic location of outstanding scenic value

2.Internal sound reverberation will make the journey over “The Rest”an unpleasantly noisy experience for travellers

3.The traveller’s view of Glen Croe from the road will be spoiled

4.Clearing the catch pits of debris will be costly and will interfere with the free flow of traffic

5.Disposal of debris gathered from the catch pits will be expensive and damaging to the environment

6.The shelter and catch pits and their access track will be expensive and time consuming to construct

7.The shelter will limit use of the road for transporting unusually wide or high loads associated with wind turbines for example

8.Construction is likely to be held up by the threat of or actual debris flow events during periods of extreme rainfall whose frequency and impact is expected to increase in the coming years

9.The shelter will be very vulnerable in the case of potentially very large debris flow events triggered by the increasingly expected occurrence of more and more extreme rainfall events driven by the warming of the atmosphere

10.Widening the old military road (OMR) so that it can act as a relief road will cause delay and extra expense

11.As the hairpins on the OMR will not be widened, there will still be traffic delays during the construction period

An opportunity to return the southern slopes of Beinn Luibhean to nature will be lost

13.The catch pits will interrupt the normal downstream movement of debris fundamental to the maintenance of stream channel geometry equilibrium downstream. Watercourses starved of their normal debris load can be subject to channel margin scour which long term will lead to problems further downstream

Foundation conditions on the steep hillside required to support the shelter wall and roof may be challenging, especially given the area’s known instability

15.The design seems to take no account of cyclists or walkers

Arguments in favour of the viaduct or viaduct and short tunnel option

1.As with the case of the somewhat analogous Pass of Killiecrankie, where an entirely new road was constructed, travellers will have exceptional views of the glen and its surrounding mountains. Travelled in either direction, it will provide a memorable, even iconic, “Gateway Experience”, commensurate with the scenic and historic qualities of an iconic location which is one of Scotland’s finest and most travelled mountain passes

2.Tried and tested engineering techniques will be used

3.Disturbance to the environment and scenery will be minimal

4.A well designed and gracefully proportioned viaduct will enhance the landscape

5.Disruption to traffic during construction minimised

6.Construction can begin almost immediately

7.No need for a relief road during construction

8.Reduced traffic noise at he Rest and Be Thankful car park

9.With the short tunnel option, space will be available for enlargement of The Rest and Be Thankful car park and viewpoint with opportunity to provide a high quality “Gateway experience” for the visitor, including provision of motor home bays, toilets and interpretation.

10.The southern slopes of Beinn Luibhean could properly be returned to nature

11.There would no longer be any need for hugely expensive, risky and quite likely ultimately futile management or mitigation of the normal downslope movement of debris which we all know is being accelerated by increasingly frequent extreme rainfall events driven by global warming

12.Debris flow and gullying processes would be free to move material downslope where it would be deposited harmlessly in natural alluviual fans which would enhance both scenic and biological diversity

13.Apart from the short tunnel, most of the engineering will be on the relatively flat floor of the glen where foundation conditions would presumably be more conducive than those on the steep and unstable slopes above

14.A largely unaltered OMR would remain available to be re-purposed as a cycling and walking route.

While the long tunnel option clearly has many advantages and delivers on some of the points we have raised above, we do not support it because of the loss of views of the mountain scenery.

We have discounted the option of a new road through the conifer plantations on the south side of the glen as, particularly below the steep slopes of The Brack, it might end up suffering from similar problems to those which beset the existing road. Also this option does not confer the visitor experience benefits of our preferred solution and would mean the loss of large areas of conifer plantations, valuable for timber production as well carbon sequestration and active recreation purposes.

July 2023

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Our response

Thank you for the feedback you provided following the Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Preferred Route Public and Virtual Exhibitions held between 2 June and 28 July 2023.

Please find below a response to your feedback.

Thank you for your feedback and providing your opinion on the options assessed.

The Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) assessment is a balanced assessment process used throughout the UK which considers engineering, environment, traffic and economic criteria.

At DMRB Stage 2, the assessment considered a comparative assessment of principally five options which included various combinations of viaducts, tunnels and debris flow shelters. This included the Purple Option which was a combination of a viaduct and tunnel to which you refer.

The key reasons to support the debris flow shelter as the preferred route option are that it could achieve the scheme objectives of improving resilience and operational safety of the trunk road network. In addition to being the most favourable of all options across a broad range of environmental criteria, whilst having the greatest potential to be delivered quickly and providing the greatest opportunity to encourage sustainable travel.

Full details of the DMRB Stage 2 assessment which led to the preferred option can be found in the DMRB Stage 2 report which can be found here: Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (DMRB) stage two route options assessment report - A83 Access to Argyll and Bute | Transport Scotland.

To keep up to date with future developments on the project, please visit Access to Argyll and Bute (A83) Story Map

If you require any further information, please email A83@WSP.com.

Thank you for your interest in the project.

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